In conclusion, I don't think Sonic getting together with Sal makes him out of character at all. It's like another user said, they both balance each other out. Sonic still remains the same cocky hedgehog he's known as, but also learns to be a little more patient and less wreckless, while Sally is still gonna remain the same humble, intelligent girl who lives much more lively while still balancing out her occasional responsibilities. Really, if these two got together, not much would really change, because all they're gonna do is give each other equilibrium.
My problem with Sonsal knows no bounds in the comic continum. Do you honestly think breaking up and yelling at each other is love/healthy? No. It derails both characters. Also, the fact that Sonic and Sally did that so much solely shows how well they work out. Sally needs someone to lean on in the time of monarchy troubles. In the time of heart break. Be her concrete. Sonic never was the emotional or firm type. Nor mature enough to take over/help maintain a kingdom!
Sonic x Sally was cliched, rushed, forced INTO your face, and it never worked for neither character. The only franchise to do it correctly was satam.
Exactly why she never should engage in a relationship with a free spirit. She has enough hardships to deal on her own. Don't blame her father for that. Precisely why I believe that Sonic was a good/bad influence on Sally. Sally always trained and acted like a leader/princess. Sally was always strong. When she gotten overwhelmed, no problem. Her hedgehog knight waa there to assist her. Helping her see the side of fun and balance. However, in the long run. She'd get too dependent on him, conflicted about her duties, emotionally attached, and even more broken. Sonic is the wind. Sally is the acorn tree. No matter how much they try to grasp for each other, they will always have seperate duties. Seperate personalities which dictates their relation in adult years.
Also, keep in mind, dear, I am not dissing sonsal overall, but in the bad writing. I am fine with them in satam. Maybe even supported them. However, archie ruined it for me. Thats exactly what the author of this deviation was pointing to. Him actually liking Archie's bullcrap.
Again, they're 'balanced' personas could actually happen even if it was platonic. Which I prefer. Being together seems to troublesome in the long run.
Huh, equal personalities? Doesn't look like that in the comics. They looked overly attached, Sonic was WILLING TO slow down, both obtained emotional break downs and derailment, and not to mention, conflict in love triangles.
And that last notation could go easily with SonAmy. As I said in my last comment, it actually is very similar. However, I am more of sonamy because both are mobile, hates being bored, and loves adventure. Not to mention, Sonic needs a girl who actually is willing to deal with his BS AND journey along with him. I
Also, I prefer SonAmy's comical relationship than a serious up and down relation.
This long rant:
KEEP IN MIND, I AM DIAGNOSING THE COMIC'S PERSONALITIES AND THEM IN ARCHIE RATHER THAN OVER ALL. I DO RESPECT OPINIONS, AND I DO LIKE SONIC X SALLY IN SATAM, AND I AM NO HATE BRAT. I SIMPLY AM A CRITIC.
Amy kept up with sonic throughout the games and had similar components to go with Sonic. Sonic and Amy both love being free and goal seeking. They hate being bored, and they love adventure. Amy also could make Sonic comfortable in a relationship outside of being friends, and boast his reassurance. Amy can BE the one to check him too. AS seen in Sonic X. She stopped him right there at any form of disrespect and childish antics. (Note, she is childish, and she is always up for antics. When the time comes, she can get serious. Overall, she balances it with her go lucky moods and comedic mood SWINGS.)
“Hold your head up! You are a hero! I will not sit here and watch my hero acting in such ways as this!”
She is NO push over. She can maintain a strong fist similar to Sally’s. Sonic can also teach her how to reach for her dreams, and lay mellow. Amy can teach him to at least care for some necessities. (Unlike Sally. She wants the man to tackle being a King, and on top of that, marriage and kids. I have you notice, Amy stopped with the marriage proposals, and wasn’t that serious with them. Sally, on the other hand. She’d gotten too dependent and emotional that she flared and slapped him. THAT. WHAT HE DOES TO HER WHEN HE TRIES TO BE HIMSELF. Is unhealthy for her. I will never recommend such a devastating, heart wrenching, and torture for her. Having to wait around for the wind to blow her way. Multiply that by 400. At least Sally was given the chance to get cozy with him. (Along with many other women.) But Amy wasn’t.)
COMPARE how Amy acknowledges Sonic’s freedom and Sally saying she could ‘catch up’ with him if he slows down. Yeah. That’s not going to last long. At all. On a personal level, Amy seems more willingly to let Sonic get:
A) Kissed by Elise so he can live.
B) Claimed she’d give up the world for his wellbeing (and smile) while Sally stated how she’d prefer her kingdom over her love and life. What Sally is, is conflicted. She should never be like that. Sonic makes her responsibilities harder. Sally wouldn’t drop everything to serve at his side. She’d probably find a way to assist him though. Sonic needs a girl that is mobile and has the same maturity span and beliefs as he does. Not a tied down princess with other goals in life.
C) Amy watched her love get whisked away with another girl, and proceeded to have countless of torture seeing her love getting hooked, and free, then hooked again by the same princess. To the point, I feel bad for her. Amy and Sally deserves better.
D) Amy was willing to let Sally love him. She even protected him because of his happiness. Where areas, Sally gotten jealous for Mina x Sonic. I get jealousy and hormones. But seriously. What’s the point of this Bull crappy drama. We all know he’d pick you at the end.
Why they are in love: We have no idea. We simply assume Sonic is turned on by princesses in vests and her cranium. Also that they knew each other for ‘ages’.
My problem is, that Sally usually pulls that authority card in attempt to belittle him. He complies like a love sick puppy. Is that the cocky Sonic we all know and love? Sonic x Sally has introduced him as a sorry sap that plays with girls until he had enough and comes back running to Sally. Or, at least in SATAM. If this is about SATAM, I am all in for it. No doubt about it.
Sonic x Sally is and can be a realistic couple, however, it is too serious, and it simply just murks up Sonic’s whole swag thing going. Sonic isn’t the one to display affection. And how ARCHIE makes him so comfortable of sucking Sally’s face of makes me go.
Is this Sonic? Hell. No.
He’d shudder, cockily avoid it, make jokes about it, and redirect the embarrassment from him at any TYPE of implement of romance.
Also, it seems wrong, for Sally to try to check him and be the checker, in reality, she can be just as wreak less and stubborn as he. Tied down, and free doesn’t mix. No matter how much you try to point out it is. Sure. On first aspects, it’s cute. However, once you dive deeply into their personalities? It is quite unhealthy and a on and off sequence that will drive Sally miserable. She needs someone to depend on mentally, as well as emotionally. Sonic is just not that guy. Or overemotional.
And if you belive I'm lying,look for Karl Bollers on internet and see,if I'm lying!
Also,last time I check,after issue 156,and after her brother became king Sally clearly realized her mistakes!
In fact,she will admit several times times that slapping Sonic and being away from her team,were bad decision:in issue 173 she will admit she was being selfish;in issue 177 she remebered how she used to lead the team,how long she was away from it and she decided to finally come back leading the team,even asking Bunnie to cut her hair back to normal as a proof that she was back;in issue 179 she helped her brother to find a compromise with Tails' dad;in issue 187 she asked Sonic to go to the remains of Knothole village and apologized to him for the slap and for how she acted before;in issue 189 and the ones that follows she will fight along with her team against Scourge's gang and,when later the Council asked them to ignore Scourge(despite the fact that he was a serious treat and that he took their HQ!)and to punish Sonic and,what she did?She sent him to fight Scourge,with Amy and later joined them with the team!After Scourge was defeated,the Council wanted to arrest her for fighting Scourge,despite the fact that she left the Chaotix to protect the city!They even accused her of betraying the kingdom,despite the fact that she gave up everything for!She had to defend herself from their accuses and no one helped her:Rotor and Chuck were upset but they didn't say anything until she was declared innocent and her brother didn't even seemed to care!And even if she was declared innocent,Hamlin still treated her like crap,saying that she and the FF were putting the city in danger,despite they saving it,at all that because,Sally,that made him a FF in the first place,didn't gave him the attention he didn't deserve!
In issue 199 she was afraid of letting Sonic go alone against Eggman,but,after he explained her that it would have been the best choice,she let him:she was worried but didn't hold him down!She developed since issue 134!And in issue 200 she tried to cheer Sonic up and understood that for him was a big deal the possibility that Eggman wasn't a treat anymore!
In issue 207 she told Monkey Khan how she hated how she ruined her relationship with Sonic and also told him that the fact that she and Sonic were still friends,was all Sonic's doing:she reconized Sonic's merit!
And even if she started to grow feelings for Khan,she talked to Bunnie about it,before dating him!
In issue 209 Sonic managed to make her to stop blaming herself and coming up with a plan by acting like himself!
In Sonic Universe 15 she defended Tails from Fiona!
After Khan asked her to come to the Iron Kingdom to be his Queen,she declained the offer because she didn't want to leave the team again,she didn't wanted to take rush decisions and she realized that she still had feelings for Sonic and wanted to make up for what she did and be honest to him!
And so she did:the 2 started to hang out again,in issue 221 the realized that things wouldn't have gone so wrong between them if the just talked about it(no shit) and when they date,Sally said that nothing stops Sonic the Hedgehog from running and askes him if he can slow down a bit not to not fight but to gave her a chance to keep up and be by his side!Wich I think is a huge charater development for them both!
In issue 230 she sacrificed herself for the planet,becoming a robot just like Sonic would have done,despite the fact that she almost died before!
In the reboot she was inspired by Sonic and she never let her title stop her:in Sonic Universe 73 she even sayis that she had to risk because the reason why her family existed was to serve her people!
She had to deal with huge stress in the reboot too,but she learned to talk about it before things went messy and Sonic was one of the people that helped with that!
Everyone can overreact if they are under too much stress!
My parents had many differences and said many mean things to each other when the are nervous,but in the end they work things out togheter!
It's normal to have problems in a relationship!
Many people married are opposite,yet the work well because of it!
Being a couple,doesn't mean always agreeing on everything ,having the same ideas and never change!
Sonic doesn't have to stay stuck in the status quo!He should develop!
As a couple or as friends(wich I prefer) they help each other:if Sally wasn't shot in in issue 225 Sonic wouldn't have realized that he had to be more serious sometimes(not always)!
If Sonic wasn't so heroic and reckless,Sally wouldn't have learned to take some risks or how put the life of others before hers!
Three, I was simply describing my outlook on the couple. The things you said cannot contradict or erase the flaws of SonSal. I also hope you realize that I am not targetting Sally. Sally indeed for me, can be too good and mature for someone like Sonic. I could see their relationship fitting better in a brotherly and sisterly way. Also, knowing their differences and goals on life, it will not hold.
Sonic and Sally can check each other in a platonic relation. My problem is how they clash. No matter what you say, yelling, break ups, name calling, etc. It isn't healthy. I know each couple has drama. But for me, they have too much of it. Leading to the derailment of both character traits.
Many people do it!
Also, Amy fisically abuses Sonic, wants to force him into marriage, treated Cream with her hammer, violently pushs Knuckles against a tree for having a different opinion, wants to manipulate Sonic feelings with a spell in Sonic x,treats to kill Chris in Sonic x to force Sonic to show up at her date and never learns or grows from her mistakes and that's okay but Sally being stressed after a trauma and overreacting, then later realize her mistakes and apologizes, gets shots, makes up,saves the world and she is unforgivable? Way to be an hypocrite!And no, the fact that they were meant to be funny, doesn't make it better: it's like laughting at child abuse just because the scene is supposed to be comedy
And I love how you refuse to read just because you are afraid of being proved wrong!
Also saying "my opinion is fact no matter what" is a prove of being closed minded and refusing to grow up or accepting others point of view and not doing research!
Search for Karl Bollers
and see why issue 134 was made!
Also, just because you were never in love and never lost someone you love, it doesn't give you the right to judge who did: do you know what it is like? It's like part of you died and you feel weak and loose your will to live!
I had people and doctors to help me through it, yet I'm still depress! And I also know what it's like to keep your sadness for yourself for a long time and I don't wish it to anybody!
Charaters are made so people can also empatize with them and understand what they are going through, but you only do it with Amy because you two have a lot in common: you both think love is like in fairytails, you both refuse to listen to others unless they say exactly what you want them to, you two live in your little world, you both are fake and you both refuse to grow up!
Really using the fact that I wrote some words with big letters ad an excuse to not read? Wow,that's a new one!
If you keep pretending that everything is nice and cute and refuse to grow, then everyone will take advantage of you!
Read the comment above and don't use silly excuse!
First of all, Sonic x Amy and Amy's attitude is comic relief. It isn't abuse. Sonic is fully capable of pinning/blocking her face and pushing her off. But he never did. Also, he never implied hurt or pain/emtional derailment (as seen in sonsal, he had break downs and stress. Which is not healthy.) from Amy. In fact, he smiled and didn't bother pushing her off of him in sonic x. If he has the balls enough to smile and make jokes to his 'abuser', then it isn't like he is a victim. As for the threating to kill Chris? She never did that, and her threats usually were forgotten, or she didn't follow it through. But, you are right. That is no excuse. I definitely agree. Amy being Amy can also be a component of sonamy being bad. Also. Forcing him to marriage?
In the SA scene, she pouted and let him out. She didn't force him. If she did, she wouldn't have let him go that easily and forget about it.
Who the hell said I didn't acknowledge Sally's sacrifice? Honey. Thats why I said Sally deserves better. If a man causes you so much pain and emotional derail, would it make sense to still engage in a sensitive relation? No. You basically are saying live through the toxic pain and not confront it. Solely because you THINK its love. I do acknowledge sonsal being reasonable. But the comic writers made me hate the pairing. Not the characters itself. But the portrayal. The break ups and ooc-ness were enough to make me cringe.
I am just loling right now. Because, frankly, how you are acting is intolerable. Its just a pairing. I'd like to have a reasonable debate without you whining and bawwing.
2:I find dumb to use something happened 10 years ago to judge a relationship ignoring the fact that things changed since then and that many other charaters did worse with their partners, yet, no one call them out!
3: I find insulting to a personal level people who judge someone's actions ignoring the pain this person is going through:losing someone is not like loosing a toy,it something horrible that takes time to heal or that it may never heal!
And keeping all the pain inside only makes thing worse,so you'll snap eventually,but that doesn't mean that what you say at the moment is what you think,yet people don't want to understand it!
So,sorry if I took this personally,but many people with disability complain when in media charaters with their same condition are poorly written or made fun of,and no one complains.I got mad at people that insults and uses one moment to judge a whole thing and I'm bad.
I don't won't to insult or offend anyone!
I don't mind people shipping different things but too many times people insult without knowing,even by telling others that they are worthless or that they had to kill themself,yet if you call them out,you are the mean one!
I though you were one of those people so I am sorry I was wrong and if I offended you.
Your apology made me smile. Most fans aren't be considerate at all. I am also sorry for taking it seriously. Really? What language did you start at? Dutch, spanish, french, etc?
I am just observing what happened during the moments the author pointed out. I know its rebooted and irrelevant to the continuum, but I am analyzing how the writers wrote them out, and basing my opinion on that. If you didn't know, I hate the majority of pre boot sonsal issues. Sally didn't deserve the stress. Sonic appeared tied down, they wrote Sally horribly, etc. I never liked how they did it. Sonsal deserves more. I used to not mind sonsal and even support it! Satam sonsal was awesome. They were at blend and in love. Even though I am for sonamy, I knew Sally personally before I knew about Amy's character.
Its ok dear, I am quite interested in your opinion and thoughts. I am always open if you want a talk.
Sonic and Amy met in Sonic CD by complete accident.
Sonic and Sally met before the events of Sonic the Hedgehog 1.
Coincident I think not.
Yeah, fucking beautiful. They hate an actual character, that has everything that a LIKEABLE character should have, for absolutely fucking nothing.
You know, I am disappointed. Shouldn't they hate Sally, just because she exists in the american canon? How about hating her, just because she is better than Amy? Oh yes, and while you are at it, why not give MORE hate, by simply build a box-sack with her entire face on it? Fucking assholes...
I'm pretty sure that's why they hate Sally, they envy the fact that America's canon actually tried to bring a competent female character to the story instead of a fucking useless tool . Yeah, like I said before, retardation has hit the Sonic fandom pretty hard.
I mean, I don't hate Amy, but I have to admit, Sally is better than her, when it comes to an actual "character" with strengths and actual weaknesses in the personality.
Exactly. I don't hate Amy either, she's tolerable but she's so damn overrated.
Are you also a fan of Sonic?
Recently i started to watch a 3D Cartoon "Sonic Boom" &... good in some ways
And believe me... Sally is one badass princess. And she doesn't behave like a typical one at all. She is the total opposite of a princess.